Sorry. Didn't mean to put a question mark there at the end. It's not a question. I'd just like to know what some of you think 'cause I do respect your opinions.

And btw...I don't know that the start date for this film is this summer. I've just heard that June was being tossed out there. My hope is that they delay it until the beginning of next year so that they can BOTH do it. And they have to do it TOGETHER as damn near every one of Phin's scenes, involves Tom.

And by doing it early next year, it would be done in time to compete during the awards season at the end of the year. By filming it this summer, they'd have to wait almost a year to release it, to have it fresh in voters minds for awards. If it's filmed this summer and released next, it could get forgotten by years end. Unless it's a massive critical and financial success. Then it won't be forgotten whenever they release it.

Yeah, but if they delay it until next year, they would again have big problem: Hugh said on January 6 at the PCA that he'll film Wolverine 2 in a year or year and a half, which translates into early 2011 or spring of the same year. If you ask me, I hope they do UC this fall with or without RPattz. Sure a movie starring both of them would be cool and it'd possibly have more potential at the b.o. but I don't think someone on his right mind would choose to loose the main star of his movie who happens to be one of the most charismatic movie stars of today in order to keep the boy that'll play the supporting role. I don't mean to degrade Robert as an actor/star but if I was the director and had to choose between Hugh Jackman and him I'd definitely choose the first one.

Okay. That's a fair argument as Hugh certainly has been a star a lot longer than Rob. But...(with me, there's always a but) LOL

I would imagine that FOX would like to see Wolverine II in the theatres by May of 2012. That way they stick to the three year intervals between films and the usual May release date. Which means...

If it takes no more than five months to film an X-Men movie, Hugh could start filming it late spring/early summer of 2011 after he films Unbound Captives in the early part of the year, say late January at the latest and they would most likely be done by say...April/May. Hugh could then go directly into Wolverine.

Now you might say, he'd need time to train and for pre-production. Well. He did it before. He built his body up for Wolverine while shooting Australia and aparently got the pre-production done too as I believe he wrapped Australia late Nov./early Dec. 2007 and began Wolverine sometime in January (maybe early Feb.) So...

He could film both films in 2011. And one more question...

How do you think Hugh would feel if Rob lost this role because of him? Meaning, if they're ready to go in June and Rob is available, but they decide to wait until fall when Hugh is available, but Rob isn't? I suppose one could say, well, Hugh took the Wolverine role because Dougray Scott wasn't available. But that had nothing to do with Hugh and his choices. He simply just stepped into a vacancy. If UC happens this way, HE and HIS needs would be costing that boy a role. With the kind of man he is, I'm not sure this would sit well with him.

My impression is that those two really hit it off when they met. They've sure had wonderful things to say about each other.

One other thing...

Yes, Hugh certainly has been a star longer than Rob, but at the moment, there isn't a hotter actor in the world than Rob Pattinson and I'm sure that's going to calm down tremendously when they finally put Twilight to bed. But at the moment, he's right smack dab in the middle of a worldwide cultural phenomenon, in terms of box office, media coverage and popularity. He's two films into it with possibly three more to come (in just the next two years) and so for the next couple of years or so, he's going to remain RED HOT! I can't think of too many movie producers who would yawn if they had a chance to get him in one of their movies.

One last thing...Rob was cast first, before Twilight even opened. So Madeline AND THE STUDIO had to have cast him on something besides popularity. The role of Phin was HIS about six months before Hugh came on board.

We could jaw on for hours about stardom and charisma and popularity and whatnot. My question was...the fairness of it. What would be the fair thing to do here?

I don´t understand how can this project have financial issues with such kind of a cast in the first place. We don´t know what is behind the delay but I think Rachel was right. And maybe they wanted to cut the script but Madeleine said no?

And in all fairness? Hugh and Rachel have leading roles. RP´s role is supporting, very small, and if he can´t do it then they should probably recast him. They can also recast Hugh or Rachel, things like this are happening all the time. But it would be easier to recast a smaller role than a leading role.

But I would prefer not to recast anybody - it would cause another delay.
And I hope they all will be available on August and September.

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So Madeline AND THE STUDIO had to have cast him on something besides popularity. The role of Phin was HIS about six months before Hugh came on board.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but what studio? I thought this was an independent feature. I mean that's why they have to come up with their own financing, no?

I tend to agree with Mustang's post from a couple of months ago - Hugh fans not need concern themselves with this film. Personally, I don't think Hugh is doing it.

I too have wondered (with this cast) about the financing problems, but then I've heard that the budget has ballooned therefore I suppose, requiring more backing.

And I'm not sure of the involvement of studios when it comes to independents. I do know that most of the majors have independent arms now. I also know that all independent films have producers and maybe that's how I should have said it, that Madeline and 'the producers' cast him before all of this Twilight sh*t hit the fan.

I've wondered if the script has been changed a bit to expand Phin's role because Rob is a much bigger star today than when he was first cast about a year and a half ago. And as I've said previously, I obviously have no problem with that as long as it doesn't take away from Tom and May's story and I think that can be accomplished.

I do know that Hollywood has got all eyes on a film set to open with Rob next month called Remember Me. They're looking to see if he can open a film that is not Twilight related. If it opens big and they see that he can, maybe the purses might open a bit wider. I don't know. While Rachel is certainly one of the most respected actresses around, she's not exactly a Julia Roberts or Sandra Bullock when it comes to box office. Hugh is certainly an international star but lets face it, in a ten year film career, that stardom has been built upon the strength of one screen persona. Although I tend to agree with Roger Ebert who said he thought that Hugh's Oscar hosting gig was going to help tremendously with his future box office because now so many more people are aware of him, who really weren't 'that much' before.

But I tend to -sadly- agree with Kris. I don't think Hugh's going to end up doing it either. I think this one's going to slip through his fingers and that will break my heart. He'd be so perfect in this role. I've been trying to think who else I could see playing it and I keep coming back to Daniel Day Lewis. 'Course, I think he can do anything. Or maybe Clooney.
I don't know.

What I do know is, if this thing films in the fall then Rob is out, unless they delay or go earlier with Breaking Dawn. And just so you know, as crazy as I am for that kid, if it were up to me, I'd rather see Hugh do this than Rob. What??? (imitating Craig Feguson...I seem to have picked up on some of his mannerisims). It's true. Now I don't want to see anyone's role unfairly taken away from them, especially if they really want that role. But I just think that the role of Tom would be more important to Hugh's career than Phin would be to Rob's.

But I got a feeling that soon were not going to be discussing this around here at all and if that happens, I can't tell you how disappointing that's going to be. Don't lose this one Hughie.

Barb, I think the point is, it doesn't matter who is or isn't interested in the film or who would or wouldn't turn it down. Right now, the actual production of the film is on hold b/c there is no, or insufficient, funding for it. No one's schedule or desire to be part of the movie is in play at this point. I have only heard Rob and Rachel mention the film and both of them have said they "HOPE" it happens sometime this year. Rachel expanded on that to confirm lack of funding is the issue. As you are well aware, MANY people are involved in getting a film off the ground and another 100+ are involved in getting it made. I know people love to speculate, but it can get to the point where speculation is seen as fact, and there is not one fact pointing to this film happening at this time - Rob and Hugh's schedules are not the problem. Things will happen as they do, and many times the actors or their schedules are a small part of that mix.

Agreed Jennifer...

Everything at this point is pure speculation.

But I do think this thing is green lit and they are moving forward and it's going to get done. Case in point, the casting of this young actress.

Another case in point...someone in Hollywood was willing to pay 5 million dollars for this script, an unheard of amount for a first time screen writer. It's gonna happen.

It's just that I love both of these guys and I want to see them work together, that's all. I want it to work out.

Don't mean it will. Don't mean I'll drive off a cliff if it don't.

(I'll just drive up to the edge and think about it)

I don't know about you guys, but I have enough trouble keeping track of my own schedule, much less when actors schedules can sync to make a movie. The whole discussion is making my head spin (not an unusual happening these days). While in such a spin, I imagined UNBOUND CAPTIVES with an evil steel robot calvary charging helpless Native American children riding a CAROUSEL being guarded by WOLVERINE in Samauri garb, filmed in motion capture, so everyone was blue. There. Now I feel better!

LOL! Kathy, that was fabulous!

Well, I had a really bizzare dream that Hugh won an Oscar for Real Steal.
And I even don´t have time to follow Hugh´s schedule so much anymore or watch his movies/interviews three times a week.
I think someone should tell him that his fans are going crazy.

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Just to clarify....
I was completely sober when I imagined the scenario in the above post. Yet, when I re-read it, it sort of sounded like a hallucination! LOL!

I would think they would recast Rob it is a small role anyone could play

Barb calm down Rob is N ADEQUATE actor but certainly not the most popular around for u I hope he gets the job

I think all of us that frequent this board to often are bound to hallucinate, Kathy. Not just you. But if you're going to have one, yours is a damn good one.

Glad to know that my hallucinations are entertaining, at least!

Rachel Weisz has just started filming a new movie, DREAM HOUSE, with guess who -- Daniel Craig. Filming started last Sunday.

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=63136

Depending on how long her involvement is ( filming usually takes about 3 months or so), any plans to start any filming for The Unbound Captives may have to wait until Hugh is free after REAL STEEL.

I've checked the Hyde Park Entertainment site ( producer Amritraj' s outfit) and there is no mention at all about any filming plans in 2010 for The Unbound Captives at this point.

Maybe I am too pessimistic, but it seems that the hopes to see this movie filmed are getting dimmer. I hope I am wrong!

Jo

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Jo...

I've gone back and read this thread (and did some back reading on Rob's forum) and what I've concluded is...

If it films this summer, Hugh is out.
If it films this fall, Rob is out.
If they delay until the beginning of next year...then they both could do it.

But from all that I've been reading, I think there is a greater chance that this is going to film this summer (hence, the casting of this young actress. by and large, supporting and non-star roles tend to be cast as the start date is imminent) and therefore, the role of Tom is going to slip through Hugh's fingers.

True, they could go with early next year as I've believe I've heard such a start date has been thrown out there. But in NOTHING I've read have I seen a proposed start date for the fall of this year. Not once. Doesn't mean it couldn't. But it has not been mentioned ANYWHERE.

Yeah. I think this one is gone for Hugh. And oh how I hope I am wrong. I just hope this boxing robots thing is good. I really do. Because if it's not and this UC turns out to be the good one...

I just don't know anymore.